Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:23 am
I think your assessment of the situation is quite fair. And while I myself am particularly lenient on graphics, I'm certainly not saying that it's the only way to judge things.
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Krazy wrote:I completely disagree, the banner is the first thing a person sees and leaves a lasting first impression. The art doesn't have to be amazing, but if it's ugly it makes the file feel really unprofessional.
Same can be said about song volume, sample start, song wheel, etc. It all has to do with professionalism.
0rion wrote:Yes, but they're all DETAILS. Little bonuses here or there that when you get down to it have nothing to do with the most key aspect of the gameplay itself. At BEST, it can indicate the thought put into a file. But again, if someone can't tell that by playing, they're probably not a very good judge of that anyway.
Krazy wrote:Shit, it's not even spelled right on the song wheel. A song with all these things wrong with it absolutely does not deserve to win, even if its steps are perfect.
You also JUST ADMITTED that no matter how good the chart is, you wouldn't let it win if the visuals were sub-par. It bespeaks a lapse in priorities.
Krazy wrote:However, I think docking someone for a misrating is somewhat meaningless.
NO. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO NO, NO!
If I'm a person that's just starting this game and I see a file rated a 1 that has step-jumps, corner jumps, and crossovers in it, it's going to automatically turn me off when it comes to the chart and possibly the game in particular. Likewise, if I see something rated a 7 or an 8 with candle runs at ridiculously high speeds, I'm going to wonder just what the hell the author was thinking.
Take Disconnected Disco's Expert Doubles chart on In the Groove. Some bonehead gave this chart a 10 rating when it has some of the most outrageous and ridiculous handplants and BS combinations in the game. Not only did this ACTUALLY bespeak the quality of the work (or rather the lack of forethought put into the step positioning), but it also meant that anyone that beat a song of that level was only good enough to beat a 10.
Krazy wrote:I don't mean to be a hardass but that's a problem I have with your reviews. Just because something is rated slightly off doesn't make it a bad chart, the chart is still exactly the same whether someone typed the number "7" or "9" into Stepmania. It seems like for a lot of things you took off points just because the rating was off.
0rion wrote:So, let me get this straight. You would ENSURE (by your own words) that a song with sub-par visuals would be buried, but don't like it when I dock points based on something that actually has something to do with the chart itself?
0rion wrote:Krazy wrote:I don't time to make a huge response right now but I hope someone can back me up because I don't think I'm wrong about most of the things I said.
Please don't go appealing to other people to back up your statements. Not only does it not add any credibility to what you say, it's also irrelevant.
I'm doing you the courtesy of addressing your points frankly and directly. While you don't need to go into the same amount of detail as I did, I would appreciate the same courtesy in return.
The fact that you didn't have an immediate response says to me that you don't dislike what I said because it's "wrong," but because it's a different, new idea. I'd beg you to give this some more consideration rather than simply looking for a way to write it off.
MarsPhoenix wrote:That being said, I would also disagree with your thoughts on ITG. It's got a different taste and isn't for everyone. But I like the extra difficulty it throws in and quite honestly, DDR charts sometimes bother me at how much they ignore things in the songs. I think the 7-8 area is too high.
Hiryuu wrote:You're also dealing with DDR purists that think nothing's been good since Extreme or MAX. :\
I knew that going into this and I'm also very limited due to this fact of people not accepting that those good times are over. In fact, I don't really know what those people are going to do when they have to deal with upwards of 20-footers and all their songs being changed for grading with the advent of DDR X.
They're going to have to move on from this 'it's too ITG' at some point.
Hiryuu wrote:That's a given, though I failed to mention it, but what I was trying to dig at was people only submitting '7, 8 and 9 footers' because no one wants to make it to where it's considered 'too ITG' to be the equivalent of 'too crap'.
There are people that are going to look at an 11 and go 'it's above a 10, it's unpaddable and it's ghey keybored'. Some of these people are right. It does take some skill to make exceedingly challenging pad steps and there is a certain unmarked threshold of what you should consider pad and what you should consider keyboard. Anyone knows that there are people that have padded 'keyboard steps' before but what's the line you cross when it goes from 'challenging (but still fun)' to 'just plain stupid'? Does it come with a number?
lrxevan wrote:(there are a few 5s, and sometimes, someone will submit one for a tournament here).